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RAW Results - 20th December 2010
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Announcers - CM Punk, Jerry Lawler and Michael Cole.


We are live from Austin, Texas and your announcers are CM Punk, Jerry Lawler, and Michael Cole.

The show starts off with The Miz making his way to the ring. Miz wants everyone to remember that he is STILL the WWE Champion. Miz says that word has a great ring to it. He says that it is tough to digest this because they were expecting something else to be announced about Randy Orton becoming the NEW WWE Champion, but that did not happen. Miz says that he put Orton through a table.

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Music plays and Alex Riley comes out as the Ghost of Christmas Past. He is here to show Miz the error of his ways before it is too late. We see Miz’s first WWE Title defense. We go to footage from 3 Weeks Ago when Miz defeated Jerry Lawler to retain the WWE Title. Lawler points out that they missed the footage of Cole interfering.

Miz says that he was happy for what he did. He beat a WWE Hall of Famer and made sure that Lawler would never be a WWE Champion.

Miz is interrupted by more creepy music and speaking of creeps, the Ghost of Christmas Present comes out and it is Michael Cole. He quotes that Miz needs to change because of his actions on Sunday. They were through nefarious means and he should be ashamed.

Miz says that your actions are defined by one phrase and one phrase only, are you still WWE Champion after the match. Orton underestimated him and Miz beat him. Miz says that he has something for Orton for his Christmas card and it is Miz holding the title belt.

We have more music and it is a photo of Angry Miz Girl and a female voice says that she is the Ghost of Christmas Future. She is very angry. He needs to see the light and change his ways or the new number one contender John Morrison will beat him.

Miz says that he is the future and the face of this company. He is the most must see champion in WWE history.

Miz’s Christmas Pageant is interrupted by John Morrison. John says that he is surprised because that was really stupid even for Miz. Morrison says that he is happy for Miz’s success because he beat Sheamus to become the number one contender. That means that sometime soon, they are going to fight for that title. Morrison reminds Miz that he beat him in the past, he beat him in the present, and he will beat him in the future to become the new WWE Champion.

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Miz throws out a few REALLYs for Morrison and he says that he begs to differ. Miz says that he has always been better.

Riley pushes Morrison and Morrison punches Riley. Sheamus comes to the ring and he misses a pump kick. Morrison punches Sheamus but Sheamus with a clothesline to Morrison.

At ringside, Jerry Lawler punches Alex Riley.

We have a dingy dingy and the Announcer of Wrestling Horribly goes to the official high chair of the Raw General Manager. Cole quotes, tonight Miz will face his ghosts of the present, past and future in a six man tag match. It will be Miz, Alex Riley and Sheamus versus John Morrison, Jerry Lawler, and Randy Orton.

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Randy Orton attacks Miz on the stage.

We see footage from last night’s TLC pay per view when chairs were dropped on Wade Barrett after their match.

We go to commercial.

We are back and remember that Tribute to the Troops will be on Wednesday night.

Cole reminds us about the main event that he read off the Raw General Manager’s face. Jerry says that he is excited to be in the match to get his hands on Cole’s champion and to team with John Morrison and Randy Orton.

Natalya has joined the announce team for the next match.

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Number 1# Contender to the Divas Title Match:
Melina Vs. Alicia Fox Vs. Eve Torres

Alicia with a kick to Eve and an elbow to Melina. Alicia throws Eve into the ropes and then turns her attention to Melina and takes her to the mat. Alicia with forearms to Eve and then she throws Eve to the floor. Alicia with a punch to Melina but Melina with forearms to Alicia and then hits a splash against the ropes. Eve hits Alicia from behind. Melina with rollup for a near fall on Eve. Eve with a rollup on Melina. Alicia with a rollup to Eve. Melina kicks Alicia but Alicia with a power bomb from the corner that is broken up by Eve. Eve kicks Alicia and then hits the standing moonsault for a near fall. Eve tries for a moonsault but Melina stops her. Eve with a punch but Melina with a forearm. Melina tries for a superplex but Eve stops her. Alicia gets Melina on her shoulders and Eve tries for a cross body but Melina turns it into a victory roll before Eve can hit the cross body.

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Winner: Melina

After the match:
Natalya goes into the ring to congratulate Melina on her victory. Melina slaps Natalya and walks away.


Backstage:
Brie and Nikki fight over which one of them likes Daniel Bryan more. They fight over which one accompanies him to the ring.

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We go to commercial.

We are back and Did You Know that Smackdown has been the number one show on Syfy every week since it moved to that network?

We are reminded that Smackdown will be live tomorrow night.

Cole mentions that it is likely that Nexus wouldn’t show up tonight because of what John Cena did last night at TLC.


Daniel Bryan w/ The Bellas Vs. William Regal

They lock up and Regal sends Bryan to the mat but Bryan kips up and Bryan with an arm drag. Regal kips up and they circle each other. Regal with an arm drag into a wrist lock. Bryan rolls through and bridges and then hits a drop kick. They lock up again and Bryan works on the arm. Regal with a snap mare followed by kicks to the back. Bryan with a forearm and kicks to Regal’s back. Bryan kicks Regal in the corner followed by an Irish whip from Regal. Bryan flips over Regal but Bryan runs into a shoulder from Regal and Regal gets a near fall.

Regal with a cravate. Bryan with a slam but Regal holds on to the cravate and gets a near fall. Regal with a take down and then he connects with a series of forearms and gets a near fall. Regal with knees to the head followed by a forearm in the corner. Regal with an Irish whip and a forearm to the face and Regal gets a near fall. Regal with a full nelson on Bryan and Bryan escapes and hits a European uppercut. It is time for an exchange of European uppercuts and Bryan gets the upperhand with the uppercuts. Regal with a punch and then Bryan goes for a back slide but Regal with a forearm to the back and he tries for the Regal Stretch. Regal tries for a butterfly suplex and Bryan blocks it. He tries for the LeBell Lock and he locks it in and Regal taps out.

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Winner: Daniel Bryan

After the match:
The Bellas mob Bryan once Regal leaves the ring. The Bellas exchange kisses and it looks like Bryan is the winner of this exchange.

We go to commercial.

Backstage:
We are back and John Morrison is in the locker room getting ready for his match and Randy Orton is in there.

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Randy congratulates Morrison on his match and says that it looks like Morrison is the number one contender. Morrison says that it was bogus what happened to Orton. Orton tells Morrison that if he beats Miz, he will be coming after him for the title. Morrison tells Orton that he will be ready. Orton tells Morrison not to trust him.

Backstage:
Santino is on his chest and someone is walking on his back and it is Tamina. Tamina says that she doesn’t know what she is doing.

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Maryse walks in and says that at least Tamina will have something to fall back on when her and Ted beat Tamina and Santino. Maryse and Tamina argue on Santino’s back until security pull the ladies off his back.

Backstage:
Mark Henry is talking to Gail about how great it feels today. Gail says that it is because Nexus isn’t here.

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There is the sound of Excuse Me in the background as Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler walk by.

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Mark says that the great smell has gone as we go to commercial.


Santino Marella and Tamina Vs. Maryse and Ted DiBiase

The men start off and Santino is a bit hunched over so she fixes his back and he is now okay. They lock up and Santino with an hip lock take down but Ted with punches to Santino and then he rubs his forearm across Santino’s throat. Ted with a running back elbow and he gets a near fall. Ted with a standing drop kick and he gets a near fall.

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Ted with a reverse chin lock and he adds extra pressure on the neck to set up Dream Street. Santino with a split and hip toss and then he goes for the diving head butt and connects. Ted tags in Maryse while Santino sets for the Cobra. Santino wants to hit Maryse and Maryse turns it into Santino. Tamina with a super kick and then she goes to the top turnbuckle for a Daughter of Superfly splash. Ted avoids a cobra and Santino goes to the floor. Tamina hits the splash and gets the three count.

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Winners: Santino Marella and Tamina

After the match:
Tamina carries Santino up the ramp.


Backstage:
John Cena is walking in the back and he is talking to some production people as we go to commercial.

In-ring:
We are back and so is John Cena and the people of Austin really sound like they are glad to see him back. CM Punk tries to bring some reality into the announcing before John starts to talk.

John says that they are extra fired up. He says that tonight is epic and monumental. He says that he is going to do something that he meant to do for a while. John goes to the front row and hugs ‘We Hate Cena Guy’. John says that for the first time in six months, Raw is Nexus Free. Cena says that it makes him want to dance, and Punk has another thing he wishes to do. Cena says that he wants to sing and he out Foleys Mick Foley by singing Deep in the Heart of Texas. Cena says that he has some exclusive footage from last night’s pay per view. We get it from different angles and speeds.

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John says that we got to see four shots of the demise of Wade Barrett. John says that he promised that he would get to each and every member of Nexus, but he finally got to each and every member of Nexus. That means that the tides have changed for Wade Barrett and his gang of turd burglars. Now he can set his sights on winning the Royal Rumble.

Vickie Guerrero is out and she throws out a few Excuse Mes as she walks with Dolph Ziggler to the ring.

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Vickie reminds John that he was not the only person to win last night at the pay per view. John gets a good laugh at the way that the fans treat Vickie Guerrero by booing her so loud that she cannot talk.

John begs the fans not to drown out Vickie, but they do not listen and John is still laughing uncontrollably.

Vickie has some footage of Dolph’s match since John got to show his footage. Instead of footage from last night’s Intercontinental Title match, we get Jerry Lawler’s comments to Vickie Guerrero last week on Raw during the Slammys.

Vickie demands an apology from Lawler or Dolph will beat him up.

Jerry wants to know if it is about her weight. Jerry says that Vickie is the only Diva whose bathtub has stretch marks. Cena and Lawler continue to roast Vickie.

Dolph says that Vickie is a saint and she is the most respected Diva in the WWE.

John asks Dolph why he said that Vickie was a double bagger. Then he says that Dolph used to be afraid of the dark, but after being with Vickie, he is afraid of the light. Vickie slaps Cena and then the dingy dingy goes off and Cole gets to read.

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Since Vickie is threatening people that Dolph will beat people up. Dolph will face John Cena tonight.

John Cena Vs. Dolph Ziggler w/ Vickie Guerrero

They lock up and Ziggler with a waist lock and take down into a front face lock. Cena escapes and Ziggler backs away. They lock up again and Cena with a side head lock take down. Ziggler gets to the ropes and Cena releases the hold. Ziggler with a kick and punch to Cena and Cena goes to the mat. Ziggler with kicks to Cena and the referee warns him. Ziggler punches Cena but Cena with an Irish whip and bulldog for a near fall. Ziggler goes to the apron for a breather. Cena blocks a kick but Cena with a suplex and he gets a near fall. Cena with an Irish whip but he misses a charge into the corner. Ziggler with kicks to Cena and he punches him in the head. Ziggler with a hard Irish whip and a near fall. Ziggler with punches to Cena and he staggers on his feet. Ziggler finally sends Cena to the mat and Ziggler gets a near fall. Ziggler with a kick to the midsection. Cena with a knee and a gutwrench suplex for a near fall. Ziggler with a kick to the chest and Ziggler with another near fall. Ziggler with a reverse chin lock as he gets Cena weakened for the sleeper. Cena gets to his feet and he gets Ziggler on his shoulders but Ziggler escapes and he hits an X Factor and gets a near fall.

We go to commercial.

We are back and Cena punches Ziggler and he hits a side slam and both men are down. Ziggler and Cena both hit clotheslines and both men are down again as the referee starts his count. Ziggler with a kick and jawbreaker to Cena and he gets a near fall. Ziggler waits for Cena to get up and he hits a standing drop kick and gets another near fall. Ziggler tries for another drop kick but Cena sees it coming and moves out of the way. Cena with the two flying shoulder tackles followed by the Blue Thunder Bomb and then it is time for the Legendary Sequence to finish with the Five Knuckle Shuffle.

Cena waits for Ziggler to get up for the Attitude Adjustment but Ziggler escapes and he puts Cena in the sleeper. Cena with a snap mare to escape and then Cena puts Ziggler in the STF and Ziggler tries to fight out of it. Ziggler taps but Vickie distracts the referee and did not hear the tap or see it.

Ziggler with a Fameasser but he only gets a two count. Ziggler thinks of what to do and he exposes the turnbuckle while Cena is with the referee. The referee stops Ziggler and Ziggler tries to hit Cena with the belt. Cena hits the Attitude Adjustment for the three count.

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Winner: John Cena

After the match:
CM Punk comes into the ring and he hits John Cena with a chair and leaves the ring.

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Cena is not in a good mood any more as he looks at the stage and wonders what just happened.

We go to commercial.

We are back and we have a Moments Ago Moment of the final moments of the match between John Cena and Dolph Ziggler.

Backstage:
Josh Mathews tries to get a word from CM Punk outside the arena. Punk says that Cena only understands aggression. Punk gave Cena a taste of his own medicine. Punk drives away.

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Backstage:
Jerry Lawler is getting ready and Sheamus stops him. Sheamus tells the fella that he is still carrying around his old battered crown. Sheamus says that he earned his crown and there is only room for one king.

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Lawler says that he has been the king since 1974. Sheamus says that tonight the King is dead.

Backstage:
Vickie is yelling at Dolph and she says that she was looking for an apology.

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Dolph says that he is challenging John Cena to a rematch on Smackdown tomorrow night. Vickie says that she will make it happen and it will be a handicap match. John Cena will face Dolph Ziggler and Vickie Guerrero. Dolph does not look too happy any more.

We are back and Did You Know that Smackdown vs. Raw has outsold a lot of video games.

So we don’t have a one man booth, Michael Cole is joined by Josh ‘Tomorrow night I can say Last night and not be wrong’ Mathews.


Six Man Tag Team Match:
Alex Riley, The Miz, and Sheamus Vs. Jerry Lawler, John Morrison, and Randy Orton

Orton and Miz start things off but Riley tags in and gets to face Orton. Orton with a kick and then he sends Riley into the turnbuckles and connects with a few European uppercuts. Orton with a knee drop and he tags in Morrison. Morrison kicks Riley and punches him. Morrison with an Irish whip and running clothesline into the corner followed by an uppercut. Morrison with a kick and punches. Lawler tags in and he kicks Riley and then he punches Riley and hits a drop kick. Riley punches Lawler and connects with an elbow.

Miz tags in and he kicks Lawler in the chest and tries for a punch but Lawler blocks it and punches Miz. Orton tags back in and Miz goes to the floor. Miz runs through the ring and he tags in Sheamus.

We go to commercial.

We are back and Riley punches Lawler while Sheamus deals with the referee. Sheamus gets a near fall. Sheamus with an arm bar on Lawler. Sheamus with a knee and Irish whip but he misses a charge into the corner and Sheamus hits the post with his shoulder. Morrison tags in and hits a clothesline followed by a leg lariat and Morrison appears to have reinjured his knee. Sheamus with an Irish whip and he misses a charge into the corner. Morrison with a springboard round kick to Morrison. Morrison knocks Riley off the apron. Sheamus crotches Morrison and Morrison lands hard. Miz tags in and connects with elbow drops to the leg. Miz kicks Morrison and then tags Sheamus back into the match.

Sheamus with an elbow drop to the leg and then he works on the knee. Morrison escapes the hold and Riley tags in and stops Morrison from making the tag. Riley works on the knee and slams it into the mat. Riley kicks Morrison and the referee warns him when they get into the ropes. Morrison tries to make the tag but Riley pulls him into his corner. Miz tags in and he kicks Morrison in the hamstring and then knees him. Miz continues to work on the leg but Morrison propels Miz over the top rope to the floor with his other leg. Miz with an elbow drop to prevent the tag from being made. Sheamus tags back in and he kicks Morrison in the chest.

Sheamus with forearms across the chest and gets a near fall. Sheamus returns to the knee and Morrison tries to fight out with kicks and he tries for an enzuigiri and he glances Sheamus. Sheamus with an elbow drop and then he puts Morrison in a modified camel clutch. Sheamus with a single leg crab and Morrison tries to make the tag. Lawler distracts the referee and Orton attacks Sheamus.

Sheamus knocks Lawler off the apron before returning to Morrison. Morrison with an enzuigiri and both men are down. Miz and Orton tag in and Orton with clotheslines. Orton with a power slam and then he hits an Olympic Slam and then it is time for the IEDDT on Miz and hits it.

Orton gets a near fall but Sheamus breaks up the cover. Morrison sends Sheamus over the top rope to the floor. Orton with the RKO push ups and Miz gets to his feet but Orton gives an RKO to Riley. Miz kicks Orton and Lawler punches Miz. Miz tries for the Skull Crushing Finale but Orton with the RKO to Miz and Lawler gets the three count.

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Winners: Jerry Lawler, Randy Orton, and John Morrison

Aftermath:
We have a dingy dingy noise and Michael Cole assumes the position. The television show Smackdown will be live tomorrow night on USA. In addition to the Smackdown Superstars, Raw will contribute a handicap match. Dolph Ziggler and Vickie Guerrero will face John Cena. There will also be Miz will face Randy Orton.

Orton tries to power bomb Miz but Riley interferes and Randy punches Riley.

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Miz escapes to the stage and we go to credits.


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Travicity
12-21-2010, 02:22 AM
Wonder what the aftermath off TLC will be.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 02:28 AM
meh Miz will come out all cocky as always.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 03:15 AM
Lol spot on so far.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 03:18 AM
Melina must have hair extensions on, since we saw her with short hair the other day.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 03:22 AM
Unless they slowly transform her into it.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 03:24 AM
Poor ol Daniel Bryan, if only he can learn to act and be better with his mouth, I think he would have such an awesome future in the WWE ... oh and maybe change his tights.

Swinny
12-21-2010, 03:27 AM
Melina must have hair extensions on, since we saw her with short hair the other day.

That segment was taped for Tribute to the Troops, I believe, so it was before she got her hair cut.

Also, that opening was great. The Christmas Carol thing was entertaining as hell and good to see them jumping right into the Miz/Morrison feud.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 03:28 AM
Lol he has it all in the ring but the big thing in WWE you need he lacks like Morrison but Morrison has hopefully proved himself last night.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 03:33 AM
That segment was taped for Tribute to the Troops, I believe, so it was before she got her hair cut.

Also, that opening was great. The Christmas Carol thing was entertaining as hell and good to see them jumping right into the Miz/Morrison feud.

No no, she came to the ring with long hair tonight, the picture she took a week or so ago, so she has to have hair extensions on.

Swinny
12-21-2010, 03:34 AM
No no, she came to the ring with long hair tonight, the picture she took a week or so ago, so she has to have hair extensions on.

Yeah, I didn't see the match because I'm 15 minutes behind, but now that I see it it seems obvious it wasn't taped, they did tape something though I remember reading. But yeah, I guess they're extensions then.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 03:34 AM
Congratulations on 9000 Posts LD and they should of given Daniel a Benoit type gimmick the ladies man I just don't like lol.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 03:47 AM
Congratulations on 9000 Posts LD and they should of given Daniel a Benoit type gimmick the ladies man I just don't like lol.

lol thankyou. I did not notice. I can not believe how popular Santino is but it is good to see he is still being used alot.

I liked the way Regal clapped Bryan after the match as well :) alot of respect there me thinks.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 03:53 AM
lol Santino makes me laugh, his antics can be funny. lol at him being carried after the match ...

Travicity
12-21-2010, 03:56 AM
Stereotype!!

LionDen
12-21-2010, 04:10 AM
lol that was awesome, I have to admit, Cena was good there with Dolph and Vicki lol Cena and King made me laugh lol Also loved the crowd booing every time Vicki spoke lol

Travicity
12-21-2010, 04:14 AM
Lol yea Vickie and Cena stuff can always be funny :P.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 04:30 AM
Once again Cena gets beat up all match and miraculously comes back and has full power again and wins. I so hate that STFU (whatever its called) such a crappy finishing move. lol Can't even cheat and beat the almighty Cena.

Someone called Punk running into the ring to start a feud with Cena last night at the PPV on here in replies. He was one day off lol I guess you could tell it was going to happen with Punks comments for the last 2 days.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 04:34 AM
Yea the Golden Boy Cena they should let people like Dolph win at times to push them.

Swinny
12-21-2010, 04:44 AM
Someone called Punk running into the ring to start a feud with Cena last night at the PPV on here in replies. He was one day off lol I guess you could tell it was going to happen with Punks comments for the last 2 days.

That would have been me, lol. Don't really know why they waited until tonight, would have added some excitement to the match last night, which is severely needed, but oh well.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 04:48 AM
lol Get up him Josh, I love anyone who gets up Cole lol I am really starting to like Cole and King and the way they argue etc.

Bloody Miz annoys me, heel or not, he just annoys me.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 04:49 AM
That would have been me, lol. Don't really know why they waited until tonight, would have added some excitement to the match last night, which is severely needed, but oh well.

Ahhh thats right man :) You got it right though, nice job :) I like Punk with short hair better than long hair to.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 04:52 AM
Is Morrison selling a hurt knee or is it really hurt? I don't remember reading any reports on a hurt knee.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 04:52 AM
Yea the black streaks im not a personal fan off the short remind me off ROH :P

ArJay
12-21-2010, 04:59 AM
Two things.
1 - They need to let Ziggler win? He's the friggin IC champ I think he gets his fair share of wins. :rolleyes:
2 - Almighty Cena? Have you even been watching WWE at all this year? He's had his ass handed to him by Nexus and Barrett most of the year. Pretty much since his feud with Batista ended. He wins two matches in a row and suddenly he's unbeatable? SMH
Cena haters are so ridiculous.

Swinny
12-21-2010, 05:02 AM
Yeah, there was no way he was going to lose to Dolph Ziggler, nor should he have, but I'm just happy they actually made Ziggler look good in the process.

I do hate, hate, HATE that STF with a passion though, it's so god awful.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 05:05 AM
Two things.
1 - They need to let Ziggler win? He's the friggin IC champ I think he gets his fair share of wins. :rolleyes:
2 - Almighty Cena? Have you even been watching WWE at all this year? He's had his ass handed to him by Nexus and Barrett most of the year. Pretty much since his feud with Batista ended. He wins two matches in a row and suddenly he's unbeatable? SMH
Cena haters are so ridiculous.

lol yeah, you say Nexus kicked his butt? If i recall, Nexus usually attacked him as a group, so what your saying is, the only way to take out Cena is to attack him as a group. I recall him fighting some Nexus members one on one and he beat them. I am a proud Cena hater and always will be, thankyou for your time.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 05:08 AM
Thanks for reading the coverage and thanks for the caps LD lol we work together well :P.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 05:13 AM
Thanx Travis for coverage and final caps posted :)

I really liked that last match, I noticed Morrison disappeared near the end of the match when he did not get up from the floor.

I thought the whole RAW was a good show tonight, I even enjoyed Cena in the ring tonight.

Travicity
12-21-2010, 05:19 AM
Cena's good...in small doses :shifty:

ArJay
12-21-2010, 05:22 AM
I don't care if you're Cena hater. I'm just sick of tired of the seeing the same old reasons over and over again to why most people hate him. "He can't wrestle." "He only knows five moves". "He never sells anything". "He never loses". All bullshit reasons that haven't been true for years. I'm perfectly fine if you wanna hate a guy, I just wish the Cena haters were a little more creative with their excuses.

And to counter your claim...
Yeah, he won a few matches here and there. But the meat of your "Almighty" argument is the fact he win's MOST of the time. Something that did not occur this year, nor has it occurred for some time now. In between those few wins, he spent most of the year getting beat down. It doesn't matter if it's by one guy or by a hundred, the fact of the matter is he did NOT spend his time winning all year like that statement claims. In fact, he spent more time losing. I'm STILL tryna figure out why on earth they named him Superstar of the year. Any one of the other nominees in that category would have been a better pick to win that award. Point is, he didn't have a SOTY type of year, and he most certainly was not "Almighty".

LionDen
12-21-2010, 05:35 AM
I don't care if you're Cena hater. I'm just sick of tired of the seeing the same old reasons over and over again to why most people hate him. "He can't wrestle." "He only knows five moves". "He never sells anything". "He never loses". All bullshit reasons that haven't been true for years. I'm perfectly fine if you wanna hate a guy, I just wish the Cena haters were a little more creative with their excuses.

And to counter your claim...
Yeah, he won a few matches here and there. But the meat of your "Almighty" argument is the fact he win's MOST of the time. Something that did not occur this year, nor has it occurred for some time now. In between those few wins, he spent most of the year getting beat down. It doesn't matter if it's by one guy or by a hundred, the fact of the matter is he did NOT spend his time winning all year like that statement claims. In fact, he spent more time losing. I'm STILL tryna figure out why on earth they named him Superstar of the year. Any one of the other nominees in that category would have been a better pick to win that award. Point is, he didn't have a SOTY type of year, and he most certainly was not "Almighty".

lol yeah ok but the point is, you said he lost this year alot and all I can remember is him losing alot to a bunch of guys, not just one guy. This is my point, why does it take a bunch of guys to beat him? Why can't one guy beat him (which has hardly happened in the last 4 years).

As for my Cena hating, I never gave a reason ... oh, i did, I gave one reason, I hate that stupid, pathetic thing he calls a finisher move, the STF. My other reasons are not many, mainly that he never loses and I am going back years with that comment to now, I was and am sick of him headlining a PPV. There was absolutely no reason in the slightest his match had to main event TLC but there he was. Shame it was one of the worst matches of the night .... again. That will do for now, I don't mind his wrestling and I will admit his in-ring humour is getting better, like tonight lol.

Ofcourse this argument is the same as is there a God. You either believe or you don't. You either like Cena or you don't. I will continue to bad mouth Cena if he continues to sue the STF or if he continues to main event PPVs for no reason at all. Oh and ofcourse if he goes on one of his 6 month winning streaks again.

Kenpachi Zaraki
12-21-2010, 05:46 AM
^^ pretty much. Saying that he didn't win most of this year means you probably forgot the stuff he did before the Nexus which you wouldn't have forgotten had he been that great

The Mac
12-21-2010, 05:46 AM
Cena's good...in small doses :shifty:

extremley small doses lol

ArJay
12-21-2010, 05:53 AM
lol yeah ok but the point is, you said he lost this year alot and all I can remember is him losing alot to a bunch of guys, not just one guy. This is my point, why does it take a bunch of guys to beat him? Why can't one guy beat him (which has hardly happened in the last 4 years).

As for my Cena hating, I never gave a reason ... oh, i did, I gave one reason, I hate that stupid, pathetic thing he calls a finisher move, the STF. My other reasons are not many, mainly that he never loses and I am going back years with that comment to now, I was and am sick of him headlining a PPV. There was absolutely no reason in the slightest his match had to main event TLC but there he was. Shame it was one of the worst matches of the night .... again. That will do for now, I don't mind his wrestling and I will admit his in-ring humour is getting better, like tonight lol.

Ofcourse this argument is the same as is there a God. You either believe or you don't. You either like Cena or you don't. I will continue to bad mouth Cena if he continues to sue the STF or if he continues to main event PPVs for no reason at all. Oh and ofcourse if he goes on one of his 6 month winning streaks again.

I agree 100% last night's main event should have been something else, and the Cena/Barrett match sucked. (I even said so in the TLC discussion thread.)

Let me ask you this......are you a fan of Daniel Bryan?

LionDen
12-21-2010, 05:58 AM
I agree 100% last night's main event should have been something else, and the Cena/Barrett match sucked. (I even said so in the TLC discussion thread.)

Let me ask you this......are you a fan of Daniel Bryan?

Yes, completely. Poor guy, as I said earlier today in this thread, if only he could learn to act and speak better, he would probably get a much bigger push but hopefully he will in time. I really liked how Regal applauded Bryan after the match tonight, a real show of respect from someone who has been around.

ArJay
12-21-2010, 06:07 AM
Yes, completely. Poor guy, as I said earlier today in this thread, if only he could learn to act and speak better, he would probably get a much bigger push but hopefully he will in time. I really liked how Regal applauded Bryan after the match tonight, a real show of respect from someone who has been around.

Agreed.
Now, I am a bit confused though. You said you don't like Cena because you can't stand the STF, a modified crossface. Yet you like Bryan, who's finisher, the Labell Lock (Omoplata) is ALSO a modified crossface. Kinda weird if you ask me.

None the less, like you said earlier this is like debating politics or religion. You don't like Cena. I'm not a fan of his, but I don't hate him. However, a good debate is a good debate and I gotta say this is one the best debates I've seen on this forum in a long time. :D

Swinny
12-21-2010, 06:17 AM
Agreed.
Now, I am a bit confused though. You said you don't like Cena because you can't stand the STF, a modified crossface. Yet you like Bryan, who's finisher, the Labell Lock (Omoplata) is ALSO a modified crossface. Kinda weird if you ask me.

There is a big, BIG difference between Cena's submission ability and Daniel Bryan's. I can't speak for LionDen, but what I detest about the STF is how it is applied and how Cena does it, it looks terribly unrealistic and terribly weak. He doesn't even apply any pressure and it's just ridiculous when that move ends matches. Bryan on the other hand knows how to properly apply the Labell Lock and do it very well.

LionDen
12-21-2010, 06:20 AM
Difference is, the STF just looks fake. When Cena places his arms aorund the neck, sometimes his arms or hands don't even touoch the opponent, now how is that working lol Cenas face looks like he is having a baby but he has no leverage for the anguish lol. It just looks bad IMO and someone really needs to tell him, I am so surprised no one has told him already. I mean lol how can they miss what I see and probably what millions of others see. Also, this is not a random occurance, Cena does that all the time, anguish on his face and his not even connecting to have any leverage lol funny stuff. Makes me giggle.

The Mac
12-21-2010, 06:31 AM
how can u even compare those 2 in submission ability, plus they r very different moves.

ArJay
12-21-2010, 07:00 AM
The moves are similar. They are both crossfaces, with slightly different variations. I won't, however, argue with how they are applied. I NEVER once implied the two have similar capablities when it comes to mat wrestling. There is without a doubt no comparisons between Danielson's tech wrestling and Cena's. LD said, quite simply, that he didn't like Cena because he hated the STF. Not how he APPLIED it. Now he says that, of course. So, if that truly is your reasoning, fine, I can't argue with that. But to say the MOVES themself are different, no. They are only different in the way each competitor applies them.

And yes, Cena makes some of the stupidest faces I've ever seen.

A Blissful Ass
12-21-2010, 07:39 AM
What gives the Raw GM the right to make SD Matches?

Swinny
12-21-2010, 08:18 AM
What gives the Raw GM the right to make SD Matches?

I have no idea, but what I really wanna know is... are they ever actually going to reveal who the hell the GM is, or is it just going to remain "The Mystery Raw GM" for eternity?

Kellie
12-21-2010, 08:37 AM
Thanks for the coverage guys

LionDen
12-21-2010, 09:18 PM
What gives the Raw GM the right to make SD Matches?

lol good point ...


I have no idea, but what I really wanna know is... are they ever actually going to reveal who the hell the GM is, or is it just going to remain "The Mystery Raw GM" for eternity?

Yeah, I thought they were using this for an appearance by the Rock or Stone Cold. They could come out one night and say they have been GM and then get fired on that night. Also, with the earlier comments of 'Thats the Bottom Line' etc, I really thought they were going to use it for Stone Cold. They will probably end up making it Vince or something but they could still use it for the angle I mentioned for a huge guest star on one night.