god

[M-J]

Ahem, if the earth and universe can not be self existant then why is it that god is self existant? Who created god? Why is it god can just be and everything else can not. And who says there has to be an afterlife, we are the only beings I'd say that believe in a god or afterlife because our minds are complex enough to think it up or create it. I think god is a figment of our own imagination. If there is an afterlife for humans, then is there one for animals, plants, or even bacteria? Because they are all living things and surely they dont worship a god. I think humans are the only ones smart enough or dare I say stupid enough to base their life around a supernatural being or afterlife that they can not prove. Why follow guidlines that you have no proof gives the results you expect. I believe religion is a wonderful way of controling people, controling their actions, their beliefs, way of life. Hell religion and "god" causes people to actually take the lives of others, how rational is that? Religion is irrational thinking by irrational minds and no I do not believe there is a god and until god or anyone else can prove me wrong I will always think that. If there is a god and I rot in hell when I die, so be it but hell on the other hand is another way of control. A place where you burn and suffer for all eternity, creative way to scare primitive minds long ago into doing what you want. Into behaving. Religion= control nothing more.

look, now you said that bacteria and plants and animals doesnt beielve god, how do you know, do u speak with them? No... let me tell u something have you ever heard of sulieman? he is one of god messengers... and he speaks with animal.. he was sent to fight a tribe but there ants infront of him.. sulieman heard some.. noises saying 'ants go to your homes' sulieman heard that and then he watched the ants.. he talked to them.. this is when sulieman knew he talk to animals.. why ? so he can tell them warnings etc.. who knows.. now what ya say....???

and for after life.. ok u have a piont.. i die, there is an after life now the question is.. is there an after life after my second life.. how does life end... what like being another person or an animal who knows ...

[Sunshine Acid]

look, now you said that bacteria and plants and animals doesnt beielve god, how do you know, do u speak with them? No... let me tell u something have you ever heard of sulieman? he is one of god messengers... and he speaks with animal.. he was sent to fight a tribe but there ants infront of him.. sulieman heard some.. noises saying 'ants go to your homes' sulieman heard that and then he watched the ants.. he talked to them.. this is when sulieman knew he talk to animals.. why ? so he can tell them warnings etc.. who knows.. now what ya say....???

and for after life.. ok u have a piont.. i die, there is an after life now the question is.. is there an after life after my second life.. how does life end... what like being another person or an animal who knows ...

Please you don't really believe he actually can talk with animals or ants?...

Even on acid I dont do that :eek:

But really, you guys act so sure. Has god or anyone came and told you all of this? How do you really know hell and heaven or god aren't made up. Ancient creations by ancient people in ancient times as explanations. The greeks believed in all those gods but now people call that Mythology..why? Because thats what it is, mythical. And so is contemporary religion.

[M-J]

^ wanna know... because of god messengers.. the bible the quran.. this is proof. have u ever even bothered to open the bible

[Sunshine Acid]

Yeah and it didn't take me long to shut it. Read what I said about the bible. How can you believe in a book that doesn't give the correct age of the planet, and doesn't come close as a matter of fact. Messengers mean what? Nothing.

[bad_meetz_evil]

Try reading the Quran then, get a English/Arabic transelator with you .

[Sunshine Acid]

Um, no thanks.

[M-J]

Yeah and it didn't take me long to shut it. Read what I said about the bible. How can you believe in a book that doesn't give the correct age of the planet, and doesn't come close as a matter of fact. Messengers mean what? Nothing.

there are ppl called archeoligists... they know about the past...

[Sunshine Acid]

there are ppl called archeoligists... they know about the past...

Thanks for proving my point

[LG]

*clears throat*

First off, I should have saw this earlier


I have recently watched a program on the history channel calling Decoding The Past: Bible Codes. Now as myself as a Christian and believer in God, I looked upon this program as something extraordinary. In the program, it said that scientists and Jewish scholars and people who had the profession of Bible coding that they took the orginal manuscripts of the Bible, which is in the Hebrew, and they took what is called the Torah (aka first five books in the Bible). They took the Torah and they put all the words into a grid.....letter by letter.(.now when they discovered this so-called Bible codes, they didnt have computers and had to be done hand written)...Now they put them in computers and it sets it up automatically. Now ladies and gentlemen, when they did this, they were amazed by what they found and what they dug into. Simple words started to pop out and then led on to events. They were amazed because the things that popped out in Hebrew text in the first five books of the Bible were not of the things mentioned in the Bible. It mentioned recent things: Pearl Harbor...1941....Saddam.....World War.....) Then the most fimaliar one was this: One man looked into the Bible codes when the presidenecal election of Gore and Bush and he looked into the Bible codes and what he found was the words Gore...Bush...2001.....If you think thats weird, then he found this: Al Gore...President. Whoa...he then thought that Al Gore was going to become president, but when the election came, he didnt of course. Now everyone thought he was a fool. However he went back to the bible codes and looked and he found under that Al Gore..President...it then said Thinks Maybe. Ha! That proved only he needed to study. (dont worry I have a huge point to all of this).........The reason I said this was because of one thing: Everything that these scientists have been doing with the Bible is this: some try to prove it wrong, but can't. Second, the ones who got tired of trying to prove it wrong started to study the orginal manuscripts. Thirdly, they looked in and saw these Bible codes and started to try and decode them. Fourthly, most of the scientists and scholars and Bible-coders today say that whoever made this Bible and whoever made this Bible-codes cannot be someone of this world simply because the Bible/Bible-codes know the past, present and future. Now, just to let you in on a letdown: The Bible-coders wanted to know what if they could predict the future with it. Heh...they tried too...but whats even wierder than what I said before...is that the Bible codes itself said to not predict the future...and now the Bible-coders are scared, because they are thinking of doing that, but then what kind of right or wrong will come of it.
And Finally...the Bible-coders, the scientists who worked hours and some even got converted in the process......most of them said that whoever created the Bible and the Bible codes must be someone who knows the past present and future.....they also said that man could not have created this because of what I just said and that was for someone to know what has, what is and what will happen. That proves right there...that there is a God, scientifically..

Now, about the animals and plants and bacteria, etc.....first off, all that we know (some dont however) is that humans have a soul...we are the ones who will enter into Heaven or Hell.

Jesus Christ? Who is He? Why is He called the Son of God and why does God impress upon us to be like Him?
Simple answer: Look for all you people who are out there trying to "diss" Jesus, you need to look at one thing before you go and put out your religious nuts. Jesus was a perfect human. Perfect...did you hear me now? I said Perfect...This is the major reason God impressed upon to look at Jesus because he was perfect...God wants us to be like Jesus because He wants us to do the right things. That makes sense doesnt it? But we cant be perfect, but God said we can try too. The Bible does not contradict itself.

More Proof of God on a personal level
If you have studied the Bible and prayed to God and tried your best to do the right things on this earth, then you must know of what kind of feeling you get when you are in church and the Holy Spirit is moving. For the people who dont believe you won't know what I am talking about because you dont believe in what we believe. You need too....because everything in the Bible is lessons about life that show you what to do and what not to do. How can you say that what Jesus said was wrong? How can you not understand that when Jesus died as the perfect sacfrice for us, that we got freedom?
There is one thing that I dont understand: In America, we have troops fighting over there in the Middle East. Our troops have fought for our freedom. Other countries are fighting still...some dont have freedom at all. My point is this: When Jesus died on that cross as that perfect sacifrice......that is where we have freedom..spiritual freedom. But you know what? Some people hasnt saw it yet because they are blind. Thats why we see more evil in this world. The only thing keeping this world into shape is praying Christians. God is real..Jesus is real.......and for sure enough the Holy Bible is real...and the reason is doesnt have a date is because we werent suppose to know. Read the Bible and study it and you will get the answers to everything...I promise.

[Sunshine Acid]

*clears throat*

First off, I should have saw this earlier


I have recently watched a program on the history channel calling Decoding The Past: Bible Codes. Now as myself as a Christian and believer in God, I looked upon this program as something extraordinary. In the program, it said that scientists and Jewish scholars and people who had the profession of Bible coding that they took the orginal manuscripts of the Bible, which is in the Hebrew, and they took what is called the Torah (aka first five books in the Bible). They took the Torah and they put all the words into a grid.....letter by letter.(.now when they discovered this so-called Bible codes, they didnt have computers and had to be done hand written)...Now they put them in computers and it sets it up automatically. Now ladies and gentlemen, when they did this, they were amazed by what they found and what they dug into. Simple words started to pop out and then led on to events. They were amazed because the things that popped out in Hebrew text in the first five books of the Bible were not of the things mentioned in the Bible. It mentioned recent things: Pearl Harbor...1941....Saddam.....World War.....) Then the most fimaliar one was this: One man looked into the Bible codes when the presidenecal election of Gore and Bush and he looked into the Bible codes and what he found was the words Gore...Bush...2001.....If you think thats weird, then he found this: Al Gore...President. Whoa...he then thought that Al Gore was going to become president, but when the election came, he didnt of course. Now everyone thought he was a fool. However he went back to the bible codes and looked and he found under that Al Gore..President...it then said Thinks Maybe. Ha! That proved only he needed to study. (dont worry I have a huge point to all of this).........The reason I said this was because of one thing: Everything that these scientists have been doing with the Bible is this: some try to prove it wrong, but can't. Second, the ones who got tired of trying to prove it wrong started to study the orginal manuscripts. Thirdly, they looked in and saw these Bible codes and started to try and decode them. Fourthly, most of the scientists and scholars and Bible-coders today say that whoever made this Bible and whoever made this Bible-codes cannot be someone of this world simply because the Bible/Bible-codes know the past, present and future. Now, just to let you in on a letdown: The Bible-coders wanted to know what if they could predict the future with it. Heh...they tried too...but whats even wierder than what I said before...is that the Bible codes itself said to not predict the future...and now the Bible-coders are scared, because they are thinking of doing that, but then what kind of right or wrong will come of it.
And Finally...the Bible-coders, the scientists who worked hours and some even got converted in the process......most of them said that whoever created the Bible and the Bible codes must be someone who knows the past present and future.....they also said that man could not have created this because of what I just said and that was for someone to know what has, what is and what will happen. That proves right there...that there is a God, scientifically..

Now, about the animals and plants and bacteria, etc.....first off, all that we know (some dont however) is that humans have a soul...we are the ones who will enter into Heaven or Hell.

Jesus Christ? Who is He? Why is He called the Son of God and why does God impress upon us to be like Him?
Simple answer: Look for all you people who are out there trying to "diss" Jesus, you need to look at one thing before you go and put out your religious nuts. Jesus was a perfect human. Perfect...did you hear me now? I said Perfect...This is the major reason God impressed upon to look at Jesus because he was perfect...God wants us to be like Jesus because He wants us to do the right things. That makes sense doesnt it? But we cant be perfect, but God said we can try too. The Bible does not contradict itself.

More Proof of God on a personal level
If you have studied the Bible and prayed to God and tried your best to do the right things on this earth, then you must know of what kind of feeling you get when you are in church and the Holy Spirit is moving. For the people who dont believe you won't know what I am talking about because you dont believe in what we believe. You need too....because everything in the Bible is lessons about life that show you what to do and what not to do. How can you say that what Jesus said was wrong? How can you not understand that when Jesus died as the perfect sacfrice for us, that we got freedom?
There is one thing that I dont understand: In America, we have troops fighting over there in the Middle East. Our troops have fought for our freedom. Other countries are fighting still...some dont have freedom at all. My point is this: When Jesus died on that cross as that perfect sacifrice......that is where we have freedom..spiritual freedom. But you know what? Some people hasnt saw it yet because they are blind. Thats why we see more evil in this world. The only thing keeping this world into shape is praying Christians. God is real..Jesus is real.......and for sure enough the Holy Bible is real...and the reason is doesnt have a date is because we werent suppose to know. Read the Bible and study it and you will get the answers to everything...I promise.

Ah yes the bible code bullshit. To save myself some breath read this.

"So I’ve heard about this ‘Bible Code’ bullshit one too many times, and since even the term buries my BS Detector in the red, I finally got around to doing a quick look around on the net to validate my suspicions.

Stupid sons of bitches are spouting on about this crap all through the media, but especially among fringe Christian cults (yes, even forms of Christianity are cults, sorry). They’ll go on and on at you about how the odds of certain phrases coming up, that are associated with various names and phrases, are so astronomically small that ‘only God himself’ could have written the Bible so meticulously that such phrases would come up in association.

The premise is childishly simple—start with a text (the fanatics chose the book of Genesis as their sample) and eliminate all the spaces so you get a string of letters. Then you count any number of letters sequentially, and start a new column right below it, so the result is a rectangular column of letters. Then you hunt for words either vertically, or at any diagonal angle.

The retarded and gullible fanatics make ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims about how there’s all of this ‘prophetic’ information to be found this way. The books advocating this load of crap are making millions of dollars world-wide. Computer programs are for sale that allow you to simply punch in a word, and generate a list of related ‘prophetic’ words.

Despite the fact that a five-minute search on the internet using the search ‘“Bible Code” skeptic’ will teach you everything you need to know to satisfy any superstitious symptoms you may be suffering regarding the topic. By the way, this is an excellent way to verify your hunches when your bullshit detector goes off—just Google search the quoted phrase, followed by ‘hoax,’ ‘skeptic,’ ‘fraud,’ or some such, and you’ll cut through the crap fast.

It turns out that the same method used on “War and Peace” or “Moby Dick” will yield equally ‘startling’ ‘prophetic’ results. In fact, once you know the rules, any reasonably intelligent person can generate their own passages with ‘encoded messages’ of this sort, that are Far More Complex than anything found in the Bible or in Moby Dick…you can ‘encode’ complete sentences instead of words or short phrases. Apparently a third grader on a lunch break can outperform “God’s handiwork.”

Yes, your hunch was correct, it’s simple, basic statistics. Like any card trick, it only appears to be ‘magical’ until you understand the process.

People are so fucking gullible, sometimes I fear for the future of humanity."

Links: to some sources

http://skepdic.com/bibcode.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/moby.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/torah.html

http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/longels.html

Now I will say once again the bible is full of flaws, there is no bible code, the bible couldn't even tell you the age of the earth. It has ridiculous stories. If you are looking for nice stories to teach good morals and lessons to children the bible is fine. If you are taking the stories literally or the bible literally I am sorry but you are not too intelligent.

As far as we have souls and enter heaven and hell, bullshit. If you want to tell me that with 100% certainty please go die and then come back and say I told you so. Unless you have personally died and went to heaven and or hell please dont tell me it exists or not.

Praying christians keeping the world into shape? LMAO It is the hardcore christians that keep insanity in the world in shape. Sorry but religion and christianity is responsible for most the wars that have taken on this planet and is responsible for alot of deaths. If anything it is religion that is keeping this world as fucked up as it is. The struggles in the middle east that have been going on for ages and ages over the "holy lands" all because of religion.

Religion is mind control and a business. Yes a business, the catholic church actually makes millions upon millions of dollars and pays no taxes. I will end this with a quote by a great man and comedian, but a man that makes some points and that is George Carlin.

"When it comes to BULLSHIT...BIG-TIME, MAJOR LEAGUE BULLSHIT... you have to stand IN AWE, IN AWE of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. I want you to know, when it comes to believing in god- I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is FUCKED-UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago. I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]

EDIT: Oh and I forgot something, don't dare try and tie religion or the bible with science...these fucking "creationist scientists" are NOT and I repeat NOT real scientists. Scientists use observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. Religion is not science, science contains facts. Proven facts that are gained through experimentation and analyzation. Saying those guys are scientists is like saying Intelligent Design is science.