RAW going to get better now?

[JohnCenaFan28]

To me, last night's RAW was MUCH better than any RAW I saw when Cena was WWE Champion. I was actually surprised and impressed by the WHOLE show and not just parts like I normally am. If Cena didn't speak on RAW last night, it would have been perfect. Someone tell me I am wrong...

[tommy]

To me, last night's RAW was MUCH better than any RAW I saw when Cena was WWE Champion. I was actually surprised and impressed by the WHOLE show and not just parts like I normally am. If Cena didn't speak on RAW last night, it would have been perfect. Someone tell me I am wrong...

You are wrong. Last night's RAW was good, but it wasn't the best RAW I've see in a long time. We all walked away loving it because of the great ending with HBK's return, but that's just one part. Cena talking was great last night. He's injured, and he STILL comes back and manages to make both Triple H and Orton look better just by talking about them, meanwhile still making everyone laugh. The only other really good part about RAW was Kennedy vs. Jeff Hardy, and that's happened before as well.

Other than that, what happened? Crap diva fight? A handicap against Triple H with Umaga in it (first of all, really stupid to put him in four hard matches in 24 hours, second anything with Umaga in it sucks). Let's not forget Vince...he was in there a lot. Does that make for good tv for you?

I get you don't like Cena. Your an idiot, and completely unreasonable about it, but I get it. I don't get why you are going above and beyond to trash Cena. At least all the other Cena haters can respect him for what he's done for the company. Your just ignorant.

[JohnCenaFan28]

You are wrong. Last night's RAW was good, but it wasn't the best RAW I've see in a long time. We all walked away loving it because of the great ending with HBK's return, but that's just one part. Cena talking was great last night. He's injured, and he STILL comes back and manages to make both Triple H and Orton look better just by talking about them, meanwhile still making everyone laugh. The only other really good part about RAW was Kennedy vs. Jeff Hardy, and that's happened before as well.

Other than that, what happened? Crap diva fight? A handicap against Triple H with Umaga in it (first of all, really stupid to put him in four hard matches in 24 hours, second anything with Umaga in it sucks). Let's not forget Vince...he was in there a lot. Does that make for good tv for you?

I get you don't like Cena. Your an idiot, and completely unreasonable about it, but I get it. I don't get why you are going above and beyond to trash Cena. At least all the other Cena haters can respect him for what he's done for the company. Your just ignorant.

The diva match was NOT crap, Umaga is decent and Vince is always on RAW a lot... I respect all his hard work but IMO Cena does NOT deserve to be where he is at and if anyone else who people know is better than Cena were given the chance and push that Cena was given, they would be MUCH more liked and talented than Cena is. Cena could possibly get my full respect someday, but that day is very far to me.

[tommy]

The diva match was NOT crap, Umaga is decent and Vince is always on RAW a lot... I respect all his hard work but IMO Cena does NOT deserve to be where he is at and if anyone else who people know is better than Cena were given the chance and push that Cena was given, they would be MUCH more liked and talented than Cena is. Cena could possibly get my full respect someday, but that day is very far to me.

Cena DOES deserve to be where he was. There are few others who put in the same amount of passion or work into everything they do in the WWE. I'm not saying there aren't others...there are. And they are all main event: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Edge, Undertaker. Cena is a good wrestler, great at cutting promos, and will do everything he can to make the company better. To me, that screams "deserves to be at the top".

[Will]

Cena DOES deserve to be where he was. There are few others who put in the same amount of passion or work into everything they do in the WWE. I'm not saying there aren't others...there are. And they are all main event: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Edge, Undertaker. Cena is a good wrestler, great at cutting promos, and will do everything he can to make the company better. To me, that screams "deserves to be at the top".

Michaels, Triple H, Edge and Undertaker all put in the same amount of work and passion as Cena? Michaels can still be great when he wants to be, which doesn't seem to be his goal anymore. HHH was great, 5 years ago, undertaker is an old has been that wrestles once a month and edge is a midcarder at best but got a shot at the big times when he had an affair.

[JohnCenaFan28]

Cena DOES deserve to be where he was. There are few others who put in the same amount of passion or work into everything they do in the WWE. I'm not saying there aren't others...there are. And they are all main event: Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Edge, Undertaker. Cena is a good wrestler, great at cutting promos, and will do everything he can to make the company better. To me, that screams "deserves to be at the top".

Everything you said there makes sense EXCEPT that Cena is a good wrestler. I don't know if something is wrong with my vision or my TV but everytime I see Cena in a match, the other person has to pull Cena and then Cena picks a good time to implement the moves that will get the crowd going... I admit I have seen a VERY FEW matches that I have seen Cena do fairly well in, so that leads me to believe that he can wrestle or at least has the potential to...

[XXKSXX]

I have to agree with tommy Cena isn't the best wrestler but he is a good wrestler.

Some people watch wrestling but truthfully are they actually watching the match or just watching?

[JohnCenaFan28]

All I know is that I'd like for the WWE Champion to have a more diverse movelist, be able to sell moves and NOT botch moves constantly. If Cena had 5 more moves then I'd be more accepting of Cena, if Cena could sell moves I'd be more accepting of Cena and if he didn't mess up his moves constantly or just do them badly then have people cover it up by calling them "modified" then I'd be more accepting. If 4 years resulted in him still doing the crap Cena does most of the time, then I'd say he would need another year or so to get a little better...

[tommy]

All I know is that I'd like for the WWE Champion to have a more diverse movelist, be able to sell moves and NOT botch moves constantly. If Cena had 5 more moves then I'd be more accepting of Cena, if Cena could sell moves I'd be more accepting of Cena and if he didn't mess up his moves constantly or just do them badly then have people cover it up by calling them "modified" then I'd be more accepting. If 4 years resulted in him still doing the crap Cena does most of the time, then I'd say he would need another year or so to get a little better...

They don't call his moves "modified" because he botches them. All of Cena's moves are variation moves. That's how his character is, he makes everything his own. Takes what the normal is and changes it to better fit himself. They have never once called a botched move a "modified" move during Cena's matches. As for not being able to sell moves, that's just not true. At times he has problems selling the effects off a fight, but he always sells the moves themselves well. And, for a moveset, Cena added several moves over this past year. People complained about the "Five moves of death", and he added a few more. Then people keep complaining, even after he has a more diverse set. What you people fail to realize is that VINCE and the WWE staff has final say on peoples movesets. I.E. Cm Punk was forced to pick up an entirely different fighting style upon entering WWE. It's not Cena's fault if he's not allowed to do the moves he can do.



EDIT: A little more than a week with the title, and Orton has already botched an RKO, his SIGNATURE move, and hurt Jeff Hardy.

http://www.uowforums.com/showthread.php?t=112968


Orton just proved that he is already a worse champion than Cena...and, according to your prefering to have a WWE Champion that does not botch moves, once in a week is a bad start for him, so, unless your a hypocrit, you should be anti-Orton now.

[JohnCenaFan28]

They don't call his moves "modified" because he botches them. All of Cena's moves are variation moves. That's how his character is, he makes everything his own. Takes what the normal is and changes it to better fit himself. They have never once called a botched move a "modified" move during Cena's matches. As for not being able to sell moves, that's just not true. At times he has problems selling the effects off a fight, but he always sells the moves themselves well. And, for a moveset, Cena added several moves over this past year. People complained about the "Five moves of death", and he added a few more. Then people keep complaining, even after he has a more diverse set. What you people fail to realize is that VINCE and the WWE staff has final say on peoples movesets. I.E. Cm Punk was forced to pick up an entirely different fighting style upon entering WWE. It's not Cena's fault if he's not allowed to do the moves he can do.



EDIT: A little more than a week with the title, and Orton has already botched an RKO, his SIGNATURE move, and hurt Jeff Hardy.

http://www.uowforums.com/showthread.php?t=112968


Orton just proved that he is already a worse champion than Cena...and, according to your prefering to have a WWE Champion that does not botch moves, once in a week is a bad start for him, so, unless your a hypocrit, you should be anti-Orton now.

You're right, I am upset at how Orton is behaving as WWE Champion. He now has the main event people doing stuff in the middle of the show, botching moves, generally having the crowd not too excited or give a heated response like Edge does etc. And right now, I'm going to say that Cena IS a better champion that Orton but Cena is still not a good in my book for WWE Championship.