RAW LIVE Coverage & Discussion Thread - 20th December 2010

[LionDen]

I don't care if you're Cena hater. I'm just sick of tired of the seeing the same old reasons over and over again to why most people hate him. "He can't wrestle." "He only knows five moves". "He never sells anything". "He never loses". All bullshit reasons that haven't been true for years. I'm perfectly fine if you wanna hate a guy, I just wish the Cena haters were a little more creative with their excuses.

And to counter your claim...
Yeah, he won a few matches here and there. But the meat of your "Almighty" argument is the fact he win's MOST of the time. Something that did not occur this year, nor has it occurred for some time now. In between those few wins, he spent most of the year getting beat down. It doesn't matter if it's by one guy or by a hundred, the fact of the matter is he did NOT spend his time winning all year like that statement claims. In fact, he spent more time losing. I'm STILL tryna figure out why on earth they named him Superstar of the year. Any one of the other nominees in that category would have been a better pick to win that award. Point is, he didn't have a SOTY type of year, and he most certainly was not "Almighty".

lol yeah ok but the point is, you said he lost this year alot and all I can remember is him losing alot to a bunch of guys, not just one guy. This is my point, why does it take a bunch of guys to beat him? Why can't one guy beat him (which has hardly happened in the last 4 years).

As for my Cena hating, I never gave a reason ... oh, i did, I gave one reason, I hate that stupid, pathetic thing he calls a finisher move, the STF. My other reasons are not many, mainly that he never loses and I am going back years with that comment to now, I was and am sick of him headlining a PPV. There was absolutely no reason in the slightest his match had to main event TLC but there he was. Shame it was one of the worst matches of the night .... again. That will do for now, I don't mind his wrestling and I will admit his in-ring humour is getting better, like tonight lol.

Ofcourse this argument is the same as is there a God. You either believe or you don't. You either like Cena or you don't. I will continue to bad mouth Cena if he continues to sue the STF or if he continues to main event PPVs for no reason at all. Oh and ofcourse if he goes on one of his 6 month winning streaks again.

[ArJay]

lol yeah ok but the point is, you said he lost this year alot and all I can remember is him losing alot to a bunch of guys, not just one guy. This is my point, why does it take a bunch of guys to beat him? Why can't one guy beat him (which has hardly happened in the last 4 years).

As for my Cena hating, I never gave a reason ... oh, i did, I gave one reason, I hate that stupid, pathetic thing he calls a finisher move, the STF. My other reasons are not many, mainly that he never loses and I am going back years with that comment to now, I was and am sick of him headlining a PPV. There was absolutely no reason in the slightest his match had to main event TLC but there he was. Shame it was one of the worst matches of the night .... again. That will do for now, I don't mind his wrestling and I will admit his in-ring humour is getting better, like tonight lol.

Ofcourse this argument is the same as is there a God. You either believe or you don't. You either like Cena or you don't. I will continue to bad mouth Cena if he continues to sue the STF or if he continues to main event PPVs for no reason at all. Oh and ofcourse if he goes on one of his 6 month winning streaks again.

I agree 100% last night's main event should have been something else, and the Cena/Barrett match sucked. (I even said so in the TLC discussion thread.)

Let me ask you this......are you a fan of Daniel Bryan?

[LionDen]

I agree 100% last night's main event should have been something else, and the Cena/Barrett match sucked. (I even said so in the TLC discussion thread.)

Let me ask you this......are you a fan of Daniel Bryan?

Yes, completely. Poor guy, as I said earlier today in this thread, if only he could learn to act and speak better, he would probably get a much bigger push but hopefully he will in time. I really liked how Regal applauded Bryan after the match tonight, a real show of respect from someone who has been around.

[ArJay]

Yes, completely. Poor guy, as I said earlier today in this thread, if only he could learn to act and speak better, he would probably get a much bigger push but hopefully he will in time. I really liked how Regal applauded Bryan after the match tonight, a real show of respect from someone who has been around.

Agreed.
Now, I am a bit confused though. You said you don't like Cena because you can't stand the STF, a modified crossface. Yet you like Bryan, who's finisher, the Labell Lock (Omoplata) is ALSO a modified crossface. Kinda weird if you ask me.

None the less, like you said earlier this is like debating politics or religion. You don't like Cena. I'm not a fan of his, but I don't hate him. However, a good debate is a good debate and I gotta say this is one the best debates I've seen on this forum in a long time.

[Swinny]

Agreed.
Now, I am a bit confused though. You said you don't like Cena because you can't stand the STF, a modified crossface. Yet you like Bryan, who's finisher, the Labell Lock (Omoplata) is ALSO a modified crossface. Kinda weird if you ask me.

There is a big, BIG difference between Cena's submission ability and Daniel Bryan's. I can't speak for LionDen, but what I detest about the STF is how it is applied and how Cena does it, it looks terribly unrealistic and terribly weak. He doesn't even apply any pressure and it's just ridiculous when that move ends matches. Bryan on the other hand knows how to properly apply the Labell Lock and do it very well.